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smoking ban: level up! [Fri, 18-Jul-2008 11:54 AM]
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HELL YES:

San Francisco smokers are already banned from lighting up inside restaurants, bars and public buildings. Now Supervisor Chris Daly is proposing tougher restrictions, including no smoking in taxicabs, at outdoor cafes, in lines at the ATM, at farmer's markets and within 20 feet of the entrance to businesses.

The city's Department of Public Health says there's no safe level of second-hand smoke. "There's been research that shows the exposure in outdoor areas. The levels can be as toxic as indoor levels," said Alyonik Hrushow from the San Francisco Health Department.

Smokers may feel like pariahs in this city, but according to the American Lung Association, San Francisco is behind other cities including Belmont, Berkeley and Ross when it comes to trying to limit second-hand smoke.

This will be a slight hassle for us at the club, since we'll have to make people move farther down the block to smoke, but that's fine with me, because I find it absolutely disgusting to have to walk through that gauntlet of stench on the sidewalk in front of the exit door.

You're welcome to smoke, and to play with your own poop. Just keep your smoke, and your poop, off of me.

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[User Picture]From: [info]deathcircle
Fri, 18-Jul-2008 7:01 PM (UTC)

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fascist
[User Picture]From: [info]lovingboth
Fri, 18-Jul-2008 7:36 PM (UTC)

I may regret this, but...

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If people want to commit suicide, fine, but they should avoid taking other people with them. If they won't do that voluntarily, it's reasonable to make them.

Are laws against drunk / drug driving 'fascist'?
[User Picture]From: [info]g_na
Fri, 18-Jul-2008 7:06 PM (UTC)

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Excellent.
[User Picture]From: [info]psymbiotic
Fri, 18-Jul-2008 7:09 PM (UTC)

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Rawk!

Egan
[User Picture]From: [info]bdu
Fri, 18-Jul-2008 7:17 PM (UTC)

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While I applaud and sympathize with the sentiment, this is *so* not going to last/be enforced. Well, OK, some properties might enforce it, but most will not, otherwise you'd end up with large areas where you can't get more than 20 feet from a business, and thus can't smoke at all. I can hear their smoke-roughened cries already...
[User Picture]From: [info]drbrain
Fri, 18-Jul-2008 9:05 PM (UTC)

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It isn't enforced in Seattle. I'm not yet annoyed enough to figure out how to properly complain about it. Certainly not the coffee-shop baristas.
From: [info]temp_revenge
Fri, 18-Jul-2008 7:18 PM (UTC)

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And yet bums can spray diarrhea on the sidewalk and that's cool with the city.
[User Picture]From: [info]radparker
Fri, 18-Jul-2008 8:14 PM (UTC)

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I think the bums have licenses to do that.
[User Picture]From: [info]mc_kingfish
Fri, 18-Jul-2008 7:24 PM (UTC)

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OMG!! We're behind Belmont, Berkeley and _Ross_???


Bah... Whatever. I sympathize with those who really can't stand the smell and all that, but geez... Talk about your Nanny State.


Don't worry... Eventually you'll encourage them enough that they'll start legislating bans against things _you_ like to do.


How about shitty Grandma perfume and Hippy stench. Shouldn't there be a _LAWWWW_ against that??


And yes, they do both cause cancer, so _shh!_
[User Picture]From: [info]jwz
Fri, 18-Jul-2008 7:56 PM (UTC)

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I am in favor of laws against stinky motherfuckers of all varieties. Though it's harder to justify on purely olfactory, rather than carcinogenic, grounds.
[User Picture]From: [info]imperator_mei
Fri, 18-Jul-2008 8:11 PM (UTC)

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Grandma Perfume and Hippy Stench haven't been causally linked to hundreds of thousands of extremely expensive deaths per year. This isn't about nanny state, this is about me saying you can't fuck up your life on my dime.

People who whine about the nanny state tend to be those who also expect the state to provide them with regulated hospitals and emergency services to transport them there and highways to provide the transportation and 911 lines to contact them.
[User Picture]From: [info]bifrosty2k
Fri, 18-Jul-2008 8:30 PM (UTC)

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Don't worry... Eventually you'll encourage them enough that they'll start legislating bans against things _you_ like to do.

I'm of that mindset too actually, I think banning things that are unpopular is stupid, and will lead to banning other things that I might enjoy. Think 2nd Amendment and Patriot Act...

Think of what could happen if we banned stupidity, I'd have less people to make fun of!
[User Picture]From: [info]frandroid
Sat, 19-Jul-2008 2:29 PM (UTC)

on my dime

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I sympathize with those who really can't stand the smell and all that

"All that" is lung cancer from secondary smoke. If it's illegal for me to kill you with a gun, why is it legal for you to kill me with your cigarette? Murder-suicide is still murder.
[User Picture]From: [info]funjon
Fri, 18-Jul-2008 7:31 PM (UTC)

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I thought the current law -already- forbade smoking within 20' of entrances to businesses and public buildings.
From: [info]temp_revenge
Fri, 18-Jul-2008 7:33 PM (UTC)

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Yeah but now they get to beat you with palm branches if you violate it.
[User Picture]From: [info]endquote
Fri, 18-Jul-2008 7:38 PM (UTC)

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Washington's got pretty much the same law, but aside from a lot more signs near building entrances saying not to smoke there, it's not really enforced.
[User Picture]From: [info]unwoman
Fri, 18-Jul-2008 7:58 PM (UTC)

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WORD. I appreciate your poop comparison because I consider 2nd-hand smoke very similar to someone else's shit.

People smoking right outside cafes/restaurants are the worst IMO.
[User Picture]From: [info]bifrosty2k
Fri, 18-Jul-2008 8:22 PM (UTC)

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BUT SMOKING IS SEXY!
[User Picture]From: [info]aliasrob
Fri, 18-Jul-2008 8:34 PM (UTC)

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Non smokers die every day.
[User Picture]From: [info]fo0bar
Fri, 18-Jul-2008 8:48 PM (UTC)

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Why, just the other day I heard that non-smokers are born every day too! The things you learn!
[User Picture]From: [info]elevatordown
Fri, 18-Jul-2008 8:46 PM (UTC)

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Are you going to have a "non-smoking circle" painted in a 20 feet radius from the DNA entrance? Cause that would be kind of rad. Within the circle you could also paint some kittens and rainbows.
[User Picture]From: [info]mc_kingfish
Fri, 18-Jul-2008 9:16 PM (UTC)

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I think there should be an inner-*inner*-circle for the smug and the outraged.

And then more kittens (and rainbows.)

heh heh
[User Picture]From: [info]carbonunit
Fri, 18-Jul-2008 9:07 PM (UTC)

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Crackdown on noise pollution next. Close the damn clubs and get those noisy crowds of reprobates off our streets at night. Alcohol causes liver cancer. Drunks walk in front of traffic.
[User Picture]From: [info]jwz
Fri, 18-Jul-2008 9:08 PM (UTC)

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You say that as if you think you have not described the way the laws about clubs already are.
[User Picture]From: [info]tirnanogorbust
Fri, 18-Jul-2008 10:38 PM (UTC)

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Imagine how people feel having to walk through the smell of your smug self-righteousness.
[User Picture]From: [info]jwz
Fri, 18-Jul-2008 10:40 PM (UTC)

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I think you don't know what that words means.
[User Picture]From: [info]lanikei
Sat, 19-Jul-2008 1:45 PM (UTC)

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can people there smoke in cabs?!??! is that normal?

or is it the kind of thing where you can do it legally, but the cab companies don't let you?

i don't really care about the no smoking laws, as an ex-smoker i've been on both sides and already blackened my lungs, but i'm surprised cabs would be willing to get the stanky stale smoke smell. ew.