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Wheelchair ramp will cost $100,000 a foot [Wed, 27-Feb-2008 1:21 PM]
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Wouldn't it be cheaper to just buy her one (or a hundred) of those wheelchairs that can climb stairs?

Where else but San Francisco City Hall could a 10-foot-long wheelchair ramp wind up costing $1 million?

Thanks to a maze of bureaucratic indecision and historic restrictions, taxpayers may shell out $100,000 per foot to make the Board of Supervisors president's perch in the historic chambers accessible to the disabled.

Supervisor Jake McGoldrick [...] asked that the board take some more time to come up with an alternative, like maybe just getting rid of the president's elevated seat.

The root of the problem dates back to when City Hall got a $300 million makeover in the 1990s that made just about every hallway, bathroom and office accessible to the disabled. The exception was the board president's podium, which is reachable only for someone who can climb the five steps from the chamber floor.

The understanding was that the room would eventually be made fully accessible. But no one worried about the podium until 2004 when Supervisor Michela Alioto-Pier, who uses a wheelchair, joined the board. [...]

Even if the board gives its final blessing, however, construction of the ramp won't be completed before the end of the year - midway through Alioto-Pier's second and final term.

"I deserve equal access to every part of the chamber," Alioto-Pier told her colleagues, adding that ending discrimination is worth the $1 million.

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[User Picture]From: [info]insomnia
Wed, 27-Feb-2008 9:37 PM (UTC)

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Someone should kneecap her.
[User Picture]From: [info]feyandstrange
Thu, 28-Feb-2008 6:33 AM (UTC)

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As a wheelchair user myself, I really hope I get to meet you someday. My cane and your knees want to have words.
[User Picture]From: [info]mark242
Wed, 27-Feb-2008 9:43 PM (UTC)

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In today's environment where Republicans are financially irresponsible, dogs and cats are living together, mass hysteria, etc, I just like to frame things within context:

"Where else but San Francisco City Hall could a 10-foot-long wheelchair ramp wind up costing five minutes in Iraq?"
[User Picture]From: [info]elusis
Wed, 27-Feb-2008 10:15 PM (UTC)

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Thank you.
[User Picture]From: [info]learath
Thu, 28-Feb-2008 5:41 AM (UTC)

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How about "30 seconds of mandatory healthcare"?
ETA: I just ran the numbers, and it turns out I'm horribly wrong. Based on the numbers for the UK that I could find it would take the US about 8 minutes to run through 10 million on the NHS.
Of note, This from the NHS seems to be saying the US spends over 13% of the GDP on healthcare, far more than the UK (under 10%). 13% of the GDP is a mind boggling figure.

Edited at 2008-02-28 05:54 am (UTC)
[User Picture]From: [info]baconmonkey
Wed, 27-Feb-2008 9:59 PM (UTC)

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well it's good to know that after that's built, all discrimination will be over.
[User Picture]From: [info]xinit
Wed, 27-Feb-2008 10:20 PM (UTC)

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Discrimination will not end until the blind are allowed to road test for their motorcycle licenses.
[User Picture]From: [info]dojothemouse
Wed, 27-Feb-2008 10:08 PM (UTC)

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We need a protest. "SUPERVISOR ALIOTO-PIER UNFAIR TO CRIPPLE-LIFTING UNION."
[User Picture]From: [info]avani
Wed, 27-Feb-2008 10:31 PM (UTC)

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The $100k/ft number is really misleading, you know. The total includes stuff like a $300k sound system for the hall and almost $20k in permits to themselves.

The issue isn't the access, its the problem of preserving 'historical' buildings when you have essentially infinite money. Do you want to be the one cutting corners on preserving history come election day? ("Our forefathers, well whoever was here 100 years ago, looked at wood panels that looked almost exactly like that, you know.")
[User Picture]From: [info]baconmonkey
Wed, 27-Feb-2008 10:34 PM (UTC)

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hmm, being the dink who spent $100k per stair, or being the dink who reduced the historical authenticity of a room in which 99.99% of the public will never set foot.
Hmm, tough call.
[User Picture]From: [info]lafinjack
Thu, 28-Feb-2008 1:52 AM (UTC)

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Glad I don't live in a city that charges $20k in freakin' permits for a stupid (and now only $680k) ramp.

At least the dead can vote here. Zombies have rights, too!
[User Picture]From: [info]phoenixredux
Wed, 27-Feb-2008 10:33 PM (UTC)

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Oh for fuck's sake... Why don't they just hire a couple of guys to lift her chair up and down the five steps as needed? If you paid them each $30,000 per year with full benefits, it would be cheaper and more sensible than a million dollar renovation.

Give me the million dollars, and I'll give you two sheets of plywood and a handrail.
[User Picture]From: [info]feyandstrange
Thu, 28-Feb-2008 6:35 AM (UTC)

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Let me know into which orifice I should shove the totally unsafe two sheets of plywood you recommend.
[User Picture]From: [info]nerdware
Thu, 28-Feb-2008 12:12 AM (UTC)

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The problem is not the wheelchair, or her rights, its the bureaucratic incompetance. It's just a ramp! It shouldn't cost $1M, never mind $10M.

Stupid bureaucrates. Stupid comments, too. Stupid bigoted comments. You all seem to be suggesting that disabled people have no place in your world. As for the idiot suggesting she should be kneecaped - grow up.

I've seen this happen here too many times. Stupid, offensive, immature fanboys, all of you. Oh yeah, I hope you find this offensive. Just a little bit.

Anyway, I'm defriending jwz so I don't have to read this shit anymore.
[User Picture]From: [info]lafinjack
Thu, 28-Feb-2008 1:52 AM (UTC)

Don't let the firewall hit you on the way out.

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We didn't like you, anyway.
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[User Picture]From: [info]wolven
Thu, 28-Feb-2008 1:54 AM (UTC)

Found via warrenellis.com

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Precisely. That's the truly sick piece of this that people seem to be missing.

At least three of those Bureau titles mean the same basic thing.
[User Picture]From: [info]wolven
Thu, 28-Feb-2008 1:55 AM (UTC)

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On the other hand, why so Angry? Not JWZ's fault that there's insane bureaucracy.
[User Picture]From: [info]suppressingfire
Thu, 28-Feb-2008 6:28 AM (UTC)

Did I hear the word astronomical?

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[User Picture]From: [info]feyandstrange
Thu, 28-Feb-2008 6:32 AM (UTC)

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What a totally not surprising level of you goddamned healthy people in the comments not getting how the world works.

Anything labeled "fully accessible" has to be built to ADA code. Contractors can charge insane amounts of money to make sure it's "up to code" so that nobody can sue under the ADA laws. This makes it cost way more than it should have to, yes. And really, people, just stop using the damn podium, set it aside as a historical item, and solve the problem.

But I have just as much goddamned right to go into City Hall as you do. Sure, this case is ridiculous, but I see the same damn hateful shit any time somebody wants to make access improvements.

Having gotten stuck on a broken fucking stair lift at City Hall twice now, I swear I'm gonna break the spine of the next person who bitches about access and see how they like my world.
[User Picture]From: [info]king_mob
Thu, 28-Feb-2008 11:00 PM (UTC)

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You know, it's rather the point that they could maybe get the stair lift fixed if they weren't burning money on this.

To me, the depressing part of the story is the idea that the city supervisor in question wouldn't say "Gosh, guys, this is an incredible waste of money. Don't do it." Possibly that's not something you're able to say if you're a third-generation politician.(Or, possibly, the rest of the city supervisors sit around and go HA HA CAN'T GET TO PODIUM, and it's made her less than charitably disposed to them; but I bet not.)

She doesn't come off well in this story, if those quotes are accurate.

I like to think that I wouldn't ask the state of Ohio (I'm a public employee, if you squint right) to spend a megabuck on me to get the symbolism right. Maybe I have an overly high opinion of myself.
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[User Picture]From: [info]feyandstrange
Thu, 28-Feb-2008 6:44 AM (UTC)

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Also, Medicare won't pay for stair-climbers, or anything else that might make a wheelchair potentially more useful in the modern world, and they aren't covered by insurance or the ADA.

The next cripple in that room may not be as rich as an Alioto.

Mind you, there's a lot better use this money could go to - like health care for the rest of us cripples who aren't on the ALioto health plan. But I love the way that people are looking at "bureaucratic overrun of cost" and blaming the goddamned cripples for it. It's like blaming the limbless Iraqi children for the cost of the Iraq war.
[User Picture]From: [info]sordidatus
Thu, 28-Feb-2008 4:18 PM (UTC)

RE: Where else but San Francisco City Hall could a 10-foot-long wheelchair ramp wind up costing $1 m

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Did you here about the airmen (junior enlisted) dorms that the U.S. Air Force built in Langly VA that cost $1m per unit. How's that for "cattle car" military houseing?
[User Picture]From: [info]fantasygoat
Thu, 28-Feb-2008 5:21 PM (UTC)

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Does this ADA thing apply to every business, like the DNA?

I remember the story of one old Drive-In restaurant that had been open since the 40's that was closed down by an ADA lawsuit. So a local landmark and cool hangout for decades of people gets shut down by one guy in a wheelchair who claimed he couldn't use the bathroom. Turns out that the guy in question made it a hobby to get places put out of business for the lawsuit money.

The needs of the one over the needs of the many.
[User Picture]From: [info]belgand
Sat, 1-Mar-2008 7:54 AM (UTC)

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So how long until this money is sapped for Newsom to get a new ramp awareness czar? Hmm... actually, that's a bit too closely related for him to steal the budget, better make it Muni again.
[User Picture]From: [info]strathmeyer
Sat, 1-Mar-2008 10:09 PM (UTC)

simple solution?

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So why doesn't some culture jammer break in and lay down a couple hundred dollars of plywood and two by fours?