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music videos [Sat, 21-Jul-2007 8:19 PM]
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[music |Sneaker Pimps -- 6 Underground]

Dear Lazyweb, I enjoy music videos, and I have some questions:

  1. Where do you find new music videos? I subscribe to the Cliptip and Antville podcasts, but it looks like neither of those update any more.

    (They were mostly a mediocre selection anyway: primarily really uncreative videos of emo acoustic crooners in douchebag moustaches and/or neckbeards.)

  2. When are the Interwebs as a whole going to finally start providing me with music videos that are of higher quality than what I got when I ripped fifteen-year-old VHS tapes? Who decided that the entire Internet should be no more 320×240 pixels, so that everything looks like it was recorded on vintage-1982 consumer gear? I want to punch the responsible person or persons in the junk.

  3. Where does one find videos of higher resolution? I've occasionally stumbled across music videos in HD resolution, and they have logo bugs in the corner suggesting that somewhere in the world exist HD music video channels ("MHD"? "VAVA"?) What are these channels and how do I get access to stuff that originated there?

  4. Speaking of logo bugs, did you notice that Youtube has begun encoding them into the videos themselves? It used to be that the "Youtube" bug was overlayed by their flash player, and if you downloaded the .flv file, it wasn't there. But now it's there in some of the videos themselves. Dicks.

  5. It's bullshit that I have to re-encode videos when I rip them from DVD. What the hell. They're MPEGs already. I say again, what the hell.

    (And half the time, it seems that Handbrake did something stupid with the frame rate, and gave me stuttery video. Awesome.)

  6. Likewise when I pull files off of Tivo, I have to re-encode. Hey MPEG2, what the hell.

  7. Quicktime Pro can read MP4 files, and let you cut-and-paste and save without re-encoding, but when you save, it insists on using a MOV wrapper instead of MP4. What the hell.

  8. MOV and MP4 uses completely different metadata formats, and while there are tools that let you extract the Artist/Title/Album metadata from MP4 files (MP4::Info, Audio::M4P::QuickTime) there seem to be none that will operate on MOV files. What the hell.

Ok, most of those aren't questions, just whining. But seriously. What the hell. This is a seriously shitty status quo we've got going on here. I object.

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[User Picture]From: [info]gleamicus
Sun, 22-Jul-2007 3:25 AM (UTC)

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Legally acquire music videos? If not, I'm sure someone can get you a music-vid.com invite.
[User Picture]From: [info]gleamicus
Sun, 22-Jul-2007 3:26 AM (UTC)

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Oh, and MHD is MTV HD. Comcast carries it nationally, I think.. Dish might, too. Anyway, it usually airs live concerts rather than videos.
[User Picture]From: [info]jwz
Sun, 22-Jul-2007 6:29 AM (UTC)

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I assume that's some private torrent tracker? I've never heard of it, and don't know anyone who has an account.
[User Picture]From: [info]kousu
Sun, 22-Jul-2007 3:38 AM (UTC)

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This is a seriously shitty status quo we've got going on here. I object.

It's almost hopeful to know that even though you've been around software for how many years now, that you still expect quality from it.
[User Picture]From: [info]buz
Sun, 22-Jul-2007 3:49 AM (UTC)

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new music??

What's that?
Srsly.

[User Picture]From: [info]nugget
Sun, 22-Jul-2007 4:26 AM (UTC)

Wearing an onion on your belt

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Your car gets 40 rods to the hogshead and that's the way you like it.
[User Picture]From: [info]sierra_nevada
Sun, 22-Jul-2007 3:49 AM (UTC)

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Re: #2, start contributing more to the polticians than AT&T does, and insist with your new "access" that the telcos face real competition.
[User Picture]From: [info]tiff_seattle
Sun, 22-Jul-2007 4:09 AM (UTC)

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usenet. you can get anything on usenet.
From: [info]jimm3uller
Sun, 22-Jul-2007 5:22 AM (UTC)

5-8

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Yeah. Plz fix.
[User Picture]From: [info]hafnir
Sun, 22-Jul-2007 5:26 AM (UTC)

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FWIW, [info]kyronfive and co are doing stuff with Noisescape. It's not entirely my bag, but worth knowing about. You can take up any quality issues with them.
[User Picture]From: [info]elliterati
Sun, 22-Jul-2007 5:35 AM (UTC)

MHD

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I just started getting MHD on Comcast in Chicago about 6 months ago. It's an amalgam of MTV, VH1 and CMT, and there's a LOT of repeat programming, but at least it's all music, no stupid reality-show crap. Videos usually show up as filler between concert broadcasts or VH1 Storyteller episodes, but once in awhile they'll actually schedule a block of 'em.
[User Picture]From: [info]otterley
Sun, 22-Jul-2007 6:04 AM (UTC)

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When are the Interwebs as a whole going to finally start providing me with music videos that are of higher quality than what I got when I ripped fifteen-year-old VHS tapes?

When upstream bandwidth is either much less expensive than it is today, or when people start ponying up actual money to consume it. Unfortunately, ad revenue just won't cut it.
[User Picture]From: [info]jwz
Sun, 22-Jul-2007 6:23 AM (UTC)

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One of the especially irritating aspects here is that I would be perfectly willing to pay money to get better copies of all these music videos that I've recorded off MTV or downloaded over the years, but, to an overwhelming degree, nobody is willing to sell them to me. Even those made by popular bands. They're just not available.
[User Picture]From: [info]jcurious
Sun, 22-Jul-2007 7:38 AM (UTC)

High quality videos / quicktime madness

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What you appear to be looking for are better then youtube quality MP4 music videos of new/indy artist:
Look here:
http://telemusicvision.com/ they seem to be fixing something on the site, but you can still get the content from Miro (formerly Democracy TV)... btw Miro's "guide" tends to try to point you towards higher then youtube stuff..

For random videos that are better then youtube, check out http://stage6.divx.com/ all the videos are in divx format (which is mp4, but not really, or something like that)

as for the quicktie madness, you use the export function... under options you can switch between MP4 "file" and MP4 "streaming file" and crap... Quicktime Pro is a ".mov" app, if you want a nice clean mp4 workflow, look elsewhere...
[User Picture]From: [info]jwz
Sun, 22-Jul-2007 9:22 AM (UTC)

Re: quicktime madness

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The QT Pro "Export" command re-encodes, causing loss of quality. If you just do "Save As" after editing, it saves without re-generating the MPEG frames, but it changes the container from MP4 to MOV.
[User Picture]From: [info]krick
Sun, 22-Jul-2007 8:26 AM (UTC)

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I believe that it's possible to extract the raw MPEG2 files off of a Series 1 TiVo, assuming you've installed an aftermarket TiVoNet card and added the required utilities to your TiVo image. I haven't actually done it yet but people assure me that it's possible.
[User Picture]From: [info]jwz
Sun, 22-Jul-2007 9:21 AM (UTC)

Tivo MPEG4

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I extract raw MPEG2 files off Tivo all the time, that's not the problem. The problem is that there isn't a damned thing in the world that will let me slice up a raw MPEG2 file into smaller, playable files at arbitrary frame boundaries. I use TivoTool to get the MPEG2 files, then MPEGstreamclip to re-encode it to MP4, then Quicktime Pro to do the final (frame-accurate) edit, which converts MP4 to MOV (without re-encoding).

It's all quite insane, but it's the only workflow I've yet found that works worth a damn.
From: [info]edge_walker
Sun, 22-Jul-2007 8:32 AM (UTC)

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they have logo bugs in the corner suggesting that somewhere in the world exist HD music video channels (“MHD”? “VAVA”?) What are these channels and how do I get access to stuff that originated there?

The latter channel bug is probably VIVA’s? That’s a German music video channel available via digital TV as well as regular analog broadcast. In that case systematic access means friends in Germany…

But seriously. What the hell. This is a seriously shitty status quo we’ve got going on here. I object.

Yeah. You know, I always thought that http://www.jwz.org/doc/linuxvideo.html should have been http://www.jwz.org/doc/video.html. Video on Linux is merely extra shitty, whereas elsewhere it’s just shitty.

(Yeah, I have no useful suggestions. Sorry.)

[User Picture]From: [info]telecart
Sun, 22-Jul-2007 8:52 AM (UTC)

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I haven't downloaded videoclips in a while, but I usually found most of what I needed in high quality off soulseek. There's a Mac client called soulseex or something (I'm not on my mac now and I forget). You can find it on their forum or via the wonders of google.
Regarding video conversions, have you tried VisualHub or MPEG Stramclip?
[User Picture]From: [info]valacosa
Sun, 22-Jul-2007 9:08 AM (UTC)

Logo bugs

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Caution: This post does not contain answers to your questions.

About point #4, I'm saddened to hear that. Logo bugs are one of the most irritating, pointless things in video.

I don't watch any TV these days except The Daily Show and The Colbert Report Comedy Central puts a translucent logo in the bottom left corner of the screen. However, I'm in Canada, watching on The Comedy Network. So The Comedy Network puts their own logo over the Comedy Central logo, except their logo is bigger. And opaque.

The end result is whenever there's text at the bottom of the screen (fairly often for those shows), I can't read all of it. It's becoming really fucking annoying.

Moral: YouTube should know better. This won't stop anyone from stealing content. They'll just slap their own, obtrusive labels over it.
[User Picture]From: [info]taffer
Mon, 23-Jul-2007 2:40 PM (UTC)

Re: Logo bugs

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I can't remember what movie it was, but I was stupid enough to watch a movie with some subtitles in it on a regular cable channel. The station logo bug, which was of the "fucking huge" variety, covered up about half of the subtitles.
[User Picture]From: [info]pnendick
Sun, 22-Jul-2007 10:20 AM (UTC)

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lazyweb + love of music == wolfgang's vault
[User Picture]From: [info]jhf
Sun, 22-Jul-2007 11:41 AM (UTC)

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It seems that the function to do what you want with Quicktime is available from Applescript (hopefully a simple "save this as MP4").

Well, probably. I come to that conclusion thusly:

Join Together supports combining mp4 tracks without rencoding. It's really just an AppleScript that manipulates Quicktime Player, pasting the tracks together and saving that as MP4.

If all the tracks to be joined are encoded at the same bit- and sample-rate, a "pass-through" option becomes available that does not reencode. I've used this.

A quick look through the scripts on the site I linked to above didn't turn up a script that does what you want, but I didn't look very hard.
[User Picture]From: [info]sc00ter
Sun, 22-Jul-2007 1:47 PM (UTC)

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Have you tried the Stage6 Music Video channel? The res on the videos is much better.

http://stage6.divx.com/musicvideos/videos/
[User Picture]From: [info]jwz
Sun, 22-Jul-2007 6:59 PM (UTC)

stage6

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I've stumbled across that a few times, but 1) I never saw a way to actually save the videos locally (how?), and 2) their plugin actually crashes Safari on a regular basis.
[User Picture]From: [info]oletheros
Sun, 22-Jul-2007 2:00 PM (UTC)

video site

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my wife recommends if:mv for good quality music videos. plus, if the sound on the video isn't great, they sometimes have a link to the mp3 of the song.
[User Picture]From: [info]ninjarat
Sun, 22-Jul-2007 2:47 PM (UTC)

Re: quicktime madness

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2. Because today's video standards are rooted in 240i NTSC video.

5. Wrong tool. HandBrake is not a DVD ripper; it is an A/V encoder that happens to be able to rip DVDs. Use a dedicated DVD ripper like Mac the Ripper.

6. You might want to go looking in http://www.tivolovers.com/

7. In my limited experience, that is because "Save As..." does not save the audio/video. It saves pointers and indexes to the "edited" files.
From: [info]gryazi
Tue, 24-Jul-2007 2:02 AM (UTC)

Re: quicktime madness

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NTSC is 480i. The 'i' just means you get half the frame per frame.

320x240 is somewhere between a lazy idiot's delace and a web style guide definition from 1998, because you couldn't marvel at hypertext if the video filled the whole screen and your hardware wouldn't handle it anyway. That, and bandwidth still isn't cheap and multicast doesn't really exist.
[User Picture]From: [info]xinit
Sun, 22-Jul-2007 4:07 PM (UTC)

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Not likely good enough, but this works in itunes as a podcast subscription….

http://del.icio.us/rss/tag/music+video
[User Picture]From: [info]xinit
Sun, 22-Jul-2007 4:11 PM (UTC)

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Oops... I missed a piece in there...

http://del.icio.us/tag/system:filetype:mov+music+video

[User Picture]From: [info]coolerq
Sun, 22-Jul-2007 4:35 PM (UTC)

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For #7, to save an mp4 file of a portion of a larger mp4 file, copy/paste the video into a new movie as before. Then choose File->Export, Movie to MPEG-4, hit Options, and on both the Video and Audio tabs, choose Format: Pass through. That will resave an MP4 file without reencoding.

--Quentin
[User Picture]From: [info]endquote
Mon, 23-Jul-2007 5:25 PM (UTC)

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You might find Rick TV interesting, though it won't answer many of your encoding questions -- looks like he just gets his music videos from DVD.