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this time for sure [Tue, 14-Mar-2006 7:00 PM]
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Stupid computers.

I took my iMac back to the store today, for the third time in the nine months I've owned it. The current problem is that the fans are on constantly, and the thing is twice as loud as my refrigerator. It's completely silent just after it boots, but after exactly 5 minutes the fans start ramping up, and by 10 minutes, they're on in "windtunnel mode". This is true even if the machine is just sitting at the first page of the installation DVD. I've reset the SMU, PRAM, and NVRAM, so they're giving me a new logic board, again.

And when I was dropping it off today, the guy in front of me was complaining about the exact same problem! If I heard him right, he had also just had his logic board replaced. And the tech was looking like he'd never heard of this fan thing before.

How about that.

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[User Picture]From: [info]lx
Wed, 15-Mar-2006 3:04 AM (UTC)

ssh error to traitor?

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Is that current music listing a joke, or the result of an automated process that ran into a wall?
[User Picture]From: [info]jwz
Wed, 15-Mar-2006 3:09 AM (UTC)

Re: ssh error to traitor?

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One from column A, one from column B.
[User Picture]From: [info]xhugglesx
Wed, 15-Mar-2006 3:06 AM (UTC)

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An old roommate was having logic board problems with his old ibook, there was a recall so apple replaced it. But apparently they replaced it with a refurbished board and not a new one, so he also had to return it a few times.
[User Picture]From: [info]tarzxf
Wed, 15-Mar-2006 3:21 AM (UTC)

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Did that 3 times, 4th time I said enough, and demanded a new iBook. Suprisingly, they agreed.

Also took that opportunity to swap all the good parts into my brother's iBook.
[User Picture]From: [info]bifrosty2k
Wed, 15-Mar-2006 3:18 AM (UTC)

ugh

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Things like this drive me nuts, but then again I have like 15 computers sitting in my office right now... most of them work.
I've never been fond of all-in-one computers, but the iMacs are sexy, I guess the problems make that sexyness fade.
Perhaps iMacs are like women; "smart, sexy sane - pick two"
[User Picture]From: [info]pdx6
Wed, 15-Mar-2006 4:46 AM (UTC)

Re: ugh

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Smart and sexy are always the best choice. The sane ones suck in bed. We are talking about computers still, right?
[User Picture]From: [info]imsaguy
Wed, 15-Mar-2006 3:46 AM (UTC)

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I can't help but to smirk.. Its nice to hear, but sucks for you individually and I empathize with you, that a mac user is having problems. I hear people tell me I am a n00b or stupid or whatever for liking Windoze, but I believe that both products are comperable and that if both were on the same usage scale, they would have similar quantities of 'problems'.

Now that I'm done with that... at what point do you get a new-to-you computer instead of the same b0rked one?
[User Picture]From: [info]twid
Wed, 15-Mar-2006 4:15 AM (UTC)

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Now that I'm done with that... at what point do you get a new-to-you computer instead of the same b0rked one?

On the 4th repair.

Me: iMac Rev. A.

- Bad hard drive
- Bad hard drive
- Logic board
- Bad hard drive (heat problems on the rev A burn hard drives)
- Replaced with iMac G5 rev C. (for free)
- Six weeks later, bad video
- Replace with iMac Intel (for free)

The iMac Intel is awesome. (knock on wood.)
[User Picture]From: [info]jwz
Wed, 15-Mar-2006 6:20 AM (UTC)

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You are a stupid n00b for liking Windows. Go away.
[User Picture]From: [info]bifrosty2k
Wed, 15-Mar-2006 6:25 AM (UTC)

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I can't help but to smirk..

HW Problems != OS Problems
[User Picture]From: [info]ciphergoth
Wed, 15-Mar-2006 6:31 AM (UTC)

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See, I thought that, and then I thought about all the hair-rending problems I've had with PC hardware over the years.
From: [info]darkengobot
Wed, 15-Mar-2006 4:07 PM (UTC)

New-to-you computers

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I like getting used laptops. You don't pay that annoying early-adopter tax, and assuming you buy the thing from a person or place that isn't crooked or incompetent, you're fairly well assured that you aren't buying a machine with severe personality defects.

You also have the mutant super-power of 20/20 hindsight. If you bought a used 5300 after the reports of battery fires, you did so fully knowing that you might have just paid money for a timebomb.

My 667mhz Titanium Powerbook isn't exactly a speed demon, but it runs 10.3 just fine; I can do reasonably large Photoshop work without too much pain; and while it's covered in chips and dings, it runs just peachy. Not completely quirk-free (nothing is), but no show-stoppers.
[User Picture]From: [info]roninspoon
Wed, 15-Mar-2006 4:19 AM (UTC)

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I've had a few of the G5 iMacs come in for that repair, and usually a logic board swap fixes the problem. In some cases it takes a power supply swap to resolve it.

Interestingly enough, I was on the phone with my Apple sales rep the other day finalising a large purchase of Intel iMacs and inquired if they had received any complaints about the first shipments of them. I related that I wasn't keen on buying first gen Apple hardware and I didn't want to have any repeats of the logic board problems seen in the first shipments of 17" and 20" iMacs.

He responded that he wasn't aware of any wide scale problems like I was describing. He's a salesman though, they can't always be trusted.
From: [info]kfringe
Wed, 15-Mar-2006 4:40 AM (UTC)

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He's a salesman though, they can't always be trusted.

s/always be //;
From: [info]kfringe
Wed, 15-Mar-2006 4:35 AM (UTC)

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I find the number of people who wind up naming their Mac "traitor" to be somewhat alarming. Why must Apple tempt me to their hardware with such sweet, sweet software candy?

Whatever. I used to drive British cars. It can't be worse than that, can it?
[User Picture]From: [info]jwz
Wed, 15-Mar-2006 4:57 AM (UTC)

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When I get it back, I expect it to leak oil.

Did you hear about the Lucas three-position switch? Off, dim, and flicker.
Why do the British drink warm beer? Lucas refrigerators.
[User Picture]From: [info]vees
Wed, 15-Mar-2006 5:01 AM (UTC)

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http://epistolary.org/5907.html

Here's me and my girlfriend with an iPod Mini that won't hold a charge, and a counter full of people with the exact same problem. This salesman decided after the third couple to stop playing dumb.
[User Picture]From: [info]ciphergoth
Wed, 15-Mar-2006 6:35 AM (UTC)

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Heh. Recommendation to anyone else doing this: instead of full-screening the picture on your laptop, take an A3 colour printout. They don't have close buttons...
[User Picture]From: [info]counterfeitfake
Wed, 15-Mar-2006 6:09 AM (UTC)

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Shit, I'VE heard of this problem and I try not to pay attention to Mac talk.
[User Picture]From: [info]jkow
Wed, 15-Mar-2006 9:52 PM (UTC)

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probably you're just reading jwz's journal.. lol
[User Picture]From: [info]vi_z
Wed, 15-Mar-2006 6:09 AM (UTC)

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I see now why people are so much in love with their iMacs. It's like a dog: you need to go out regularly with it ;-)
[User Picture]From: [info]jwz
Wed, 15-Mar-2006 6:21 AM (UTC)

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Wow, you're funny. Shut up.
[User Picture]From: [info]nyankolove
Wed, 15-Mar-2006 6:13 AM (UTC)

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fwiw, every mac i've owned goes into windtunnel mode during the installation process. i could hazard some guesses as to why, but the point is i don't think it's an abnormality, and therefore not an accurate indicator of a hardware problem in and of itself.
[User Picture]From: [info]jwz
Wed, 15-Mar-2006 6:21 AM (UTC)

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But the installer doesn't go into windtunnel mode before you've even clicked the ok button on the first screen.
[User Picture]From: [info]zebe
Wed, 15-Mar-2006 8:52 AM (UTC)

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Do you have AppleCare on your iMac? If not you may consider buying it soon (you only have until 1 year after the purchase date). At least that way you're covered a bit longer, and maybe if it happens again in 3 more months, you could get a replacement (based on some other posters' experiences).
[User Picture]From: [info]benediktus
Wed, 15-Mar-2006 11:07 AM (UTC)

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my sincere condolence... the first powermac g5 dual series had a similar problem. it was like starting a jet on my desk. after hundreds of customers made that issue attentive, apple finally released a firmware update (as usual). seems to be their policy, though.

a common fix (as some suggest) could be: setting the processor performance in the energy saving preferences to "highest". i assume that knocks out the buggy fan control state (i used that as workaround before the patch came and it worked just fine). but since your mac is already in the slaughterhouse, it is best to just ora et labora.
From: [info]mbacarella
Wed, 15-Mar-2006 4:40 PM (UTC)

Life's too short

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Junk the motherfucker already.

Your super will appreciate the parts.
From: [info]zoratu
Wed, 15-Mar-2006 5:12 PM (UTC)

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As inconvenient as it is, these problems could just as easily be happening on another platform, except that you would be stuck with dissatisfying software, too.
From: [info]psmacleod
Wed, 15-Mar-2006 5:51 PM (UTC)

windtunnel

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My mac did that until a tech came and ran a "fan calibration" utility, and that fixed the problem. If it crashes in the night, as happens once every few months, it'll be blowing full blast in the morning.
[User Picture]From: [info]fxl
Fri, 17-Mar-2006 9:32 AM (UTC)

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I hope 1000 people have not sent this to you already...

I saw this and it reminded me of your fan issue.

http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/801.html

Glad to hear it was a dumb tech issue and not another product defect.