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Union Square used to have grass?
![[User Picture]](http://p-userpic.livejournal.com/5887295/515656) | From: jwz Fri, 26-Aug-2005 3:56 PM (UTC)
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Yeah, they paved it over about five years ago, I think?
so sad. That must've looked so much more inviting and liveable.
and yes, those spikes are far worse than bird shit. And the ones for humans are even more depressing.
If you watch Hitchcock's "The Birds", you can see Union Square like it used to be.
Yeah, they closed off the square and began work in early 2001, and I believe it opened sometime in 2002 (after I moved away). I saw the mockup and figured they REALLY wanted to turn it into a skate park.
Do people actually go to that concrete monstrosity now? I figured it wouldn't matter much since Yerba Buena Gardens was so close, and looked much nicer anyways.
Why so many hydrants with anti-sit things on them? Is it because anyone willing to hang out on top of a fire hydrant for more than two or three hours must be drinking?
Yeah, I really can't imagine the reasoning there. Unless they're worried the bird shit will somehow make it difficult for the firemen to remove the cap? Implausible, but slightly more plausible than a lazy teen refusing to get off of it when a fire is in progress.
Other similar fun things are the "no sleep" bus benches which also suck to sit on, and the public furniture of various kinds that is designed to make you uncomfortable so you'll leave quickly.
The only thing that bugs me more than the anti-sit things is the total lack of drinking fountains in public spaces. Sometime in the 80s I guess they just removed them all, and now everyone has to pay for water.
Asshats gunk up water fountains faster than they can destroy public bathrooms. Personally, I'd rather pay $3.50 for a bottle of filtered tap water than drink out of one of those filthy things.
The Benson Bubblers in Portland are pretty clean.
Along Transmet lines, I favor coating the target area with something electrically conductive - which would work fine for birds and bums.
I'd like a copper-plated doorstep. It would be worth the money just to fry the reproductive organs of the assholes who continue to use it as a urinal.
They'll be gone after the first time someone has to try and clean the pigeon shit out from between though steel spikes.
Or skewered, rotting pigeons. Or bums.
From: babynutcase Fri, 26-Aug-2005 4:25 PM (UTC)
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Ouch! 
![[User Picture]](http://p-userpic.livejournal.com/881081/426916) | From: gargargar Fri, 26-Aug-2005 4:25 PM (UTC)
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Remember when people used to actually SPEND PUBLIC MONEY in order to INSTALL BENCHES so that people would have PLACES TO SIT along the sidewalk?
I'd like some of those spikes to make the crack dealers/smokers find somewhere else to yell at each other about who got whom pregnant, or about being locked in a car with a buyer while going 90 mph at 2AM. But then I've also thought about sitting out on my own wall with a book or something which would be much cheaper. But in the middle of a city... why? Shouldn't people have somewhere to eat their lunch?
Well, sitting on my wall worked! I was offered 'silver' and met Art the crack dealer.
What is pathetic about most of those anti-sit spikes is that they are at most a piece of cardboard away from being useless.
What does NYC have against people eating lunch outside?
![[User Picture]](http://p-userpic.livejournal.com/70477236/5548170) | From: nidea Fri, 26-Aug-2005 5:20 PM (UTC)
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I kind of like the art deco pyramids... but in all, you gotta wonder where the harm is in somebody sitting down! We're an aging population after all.
If someone sits down for free, it creates unfair competition for establishments selling sitting space, which is fundamentally wrong and un-American. Don't be too surprised if owners of horizontal surfaces are legally obliged to put anti-sitting devices on them in the near future.
Am I the only one who thinks that those are far, far uglier than pigeon shit?
Along a similar note, here in boston it's common for people to glue these black one inch by several foot strips of rubber to the bumpers of their new, nice car... Every time I see one, and then look at the scratches on my bumper, I much prefer the scratches...
Why would spikes like that stop people from sitting? 
From: expostulatron Fri, 26-Aug-2005 7:31 PM (UTC)
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"...human feces smeared across the wall."
How does she know it's human feces?
Because we are the only animal on the planet that eats Doritos.
![[User Picture]](http://p-userpic.livejournal.com/45007109/684603) | From: dk379 Sat, 27-Aug-2005 1:28 AM (UTC)
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But you can tell that was science fiction, because the park had grass in it, unlike the concrete Soviet monstrosity of the reconstructed Union Square.
Don't you dare to offend beautiful Soviet city architecture (I am speaking of my native Kiev, and also Moscow and St.Petersburg where I have been few times.) We never had _any_ anti-sitting devices, and every bus stop had fully covered shelter with several long benches to sit on, backs included.
In my native Kiev, within 10-minute distance you had yourself small park, or open-space square, with no stupid signs like `closed sunset to sunrise' (and when you are supposed to sit arm-in-arm with your first love?).
One more detail: NO PARKING LOTS. Now, they are building garages, usually underground. Cities were built up, not wide. Now go back to Union Square and check signs in basement garage; they say something around `if you see somebody taking photographs, report them to security immediately to protect our national security'. I guess there is still a bomb shelter there?
![[User Picture]](http://p-userpic.livejournal.com/26104787/6145587) | From: lohphat Mon, 29-Aug-2005 7:38 AM (UTC)
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In the old days, bums and skateboarders were shot and/or sent to gulags and/or made chancellor, or something. Right?
Wish I could find a link....
A Calgary architect ordered the city to remove the anti-skate devices, saying that buildings are supposed to naturally age.
You'd think that instead of preventing skaters, they'd make their building and garden planters from materials that would break down or mark so easy. Then they wouldn't have to care!
![[User Picture]](http://p-userpic.livejournal.com/5887295/515656) | From: jwz Sat, 27-Aug-2005 2:35 PM (UTC)
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How does the whining of an architect have the force of law?
It's Canada. Maybe the spike devices had English text on them and not French.
It would be fun to make some anti sit benches and tables. banksy style.
![[User Picture]](http://p-userpic.livejournal.com/35086607/377381) | From: jqmark Sat, 27-Aug-2005 8:56 AM (UTC)
Pave the World | (Link)
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LEES TREES, MORE FENCES !!!
grind to ollie-skatestop back to grind?
![[User Picture]](http://p-userpic.livejournal.com/76709073/205874) | From: cadmus Sun, 28-Aug-2005 11:21 AM (UTC)
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You listen to SMP? I didn't think anyone outside of Seattle did... | |