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![[User Picture]](http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/15134229/469972) | From: ![[info]](http://l-stat.livejournal.com/img/userinfo.gif) rmitz
Wed, 15-Jun-2005 8:58 PM (UTC)
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It got much, much slower in Tiger, due to spotlight indexing and such. Which is unfortunate.
I concur with the "suddenly iTunes is skipping" observation after upgrading a dual 1.6 GHz G5 to Tiger. You wouldn't think anything in the world would grind that machine, so I was somewhat taken aback.
> It doesn't want to let me add an "account" with a duplicate (or missing) mail server.
I dunno... does your mail server possibly have two different names in DNS you could use? Or maybe have one of the profiles set to the mail server's IP address instead? It's a gross hack but it'd probably work.
Also, is the mail importer thrashing the disk? It could be that iTunes is starving on a resource other than CPU.
![[User Picture]](http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/5887295/515656) | From: jwz
Wed, 15-Jun-2005 9:17 PM (UTC)
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Nah, it's definitely CPU; last time it was skipping it was 80%+ "system", and disk I/O peaked at around 800KB/sec. Besides, the I/O requirements of an MP3 player are trivial.
I never found conveniant the "sent" folder. Actually for Mail.app, I was setting it to the INBOX, because I always used IMAP. I do the same in all the other. Today my preference goes to Thunderbird because I really loathe Mail.app, but I haven't "upgraded" to 10.4 so can't really tell if they addressed my concern about threading. And the import, well I forgot, I no longer bother. We should just store everything on the IMAP server :-) (and me doing it as well) PS: would be nice to unban my main account hub_, that would allow me the pain to have to change identities, unless you don't want my opinion.
| From: jwz
Wed, 15-Jun-2005 9:25 PM (UTC)
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You know, most people interpret bans as "I don't want to hear from you."
In case you have forgotten, the thing that got you plonked was your "helpful" suggestion that my HTML was wrong because I typed "A HREF" instead of "a href".
What are you using for the mail server? Any chance of simply putting in a seive or procmail filter for the two, and then having two different IMAP mailboxes?
| From: jwz
Wed, 15-Jun-2005 9:19 PM (UTC)
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Right now I'm just running akpop3d on my linux mail server and downloading all the mail via pop3s.
I guess I'm willing to give IMAP a try, but I fear it, and I haven't heard any concensus on which server sucks least. It sounds like they're all buggy as hell and get a new exploit twice a week.
| From: jwz
Wed, 15-Jun-2005 10:16 PM (UTC)
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If I do switch to IMAP, will I be able to just drag these folders from "mac side" to "imap server side", or am I going to have to go through "import hell" all over again?
It doesn't want to let me add an "account" with a duplicate (or missing) mail server.
Okay, that's odd. I have five accounts on the same server and I refer to all of them exactly the same way (from a server perspective) in mail.app's account setup windows. I didn't have to do any tricks to make this work.
Differences: Jaguar vs. Tiger. And my accounts are all POP3, not IMAP.
"how do I partition things into "jwz@jwz.org" and "jwz@dnalounge.com" worlds"
Every "account" (as in, actual, not virtual account) has something like an "e-mail" field*. Rather unintuitively, this field accepts multiple addresses, separated by commas, so you can enter e.g.
jwz@jwz.org,jwz@dnalounge.com,jwz@example.com
in there. Then, in the Compose E-Mail window, the popup menu will list all these e-mail addresses separately.
*) I'm not on OS X right now so I can't check for the exact wording.
![[User Picture]](http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/46263782/1284091) | From: cyflea
Thu, 16-Jun-2005 12:30 AM (UTC)
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hey, perfect! that's, like, exactly what I wish I'd known for the past 2 years. Thanks! I think I owe you a drink for that tip.
on the IMAP end, I run Cyrus, but that's 'cause I've been running it for about 6 years - Courier wasn't so hot back then (if it existed), and Dovecot definitely didn't exist. Nowadays I'd recommend trying either of them before Cyrus (the server itself is ok, but wading through SASL for the first time is rather painful).
And I learn something new. Although I wish I'd scrolled down to your entry *before* I tried to create a dummy account in Mail.app to test multiple personalities, and mail had managed to screw up all the email in one of the existing acounts (by moving it to the new account, and now refusing to let me move it back again).
But still - thanks for the info.
From: latchkey
Thu, 16-Jun-2005 9:38 AM (UTC)
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While in the Mail.app preferences, one can click the little purple ? in the right corner... rtfm.
Adding multiple email addresses to the same account
The Mail application can retrieve messages from multiple email accounts, and each account can have multiple email addresses. You don't need to add separate accounts for each address. For example, Tom Clark could get email from both tclark@example.org and webmaster@example.org. If you forward email addresses from different domains (for example, example.org and secondexample.org) to your account, you can also include them in the same account.
1 Open Mail and choose Mail > Preferences.
2 Click Accounts.
3 Select an account.
4 Enter all your addresses in the email address field, separated by commas. For example, webmaster@example.org, sales@example.org, support@example.org.
5 Close the Preferences window and click Save in the message that appears.
When you compose a message, you can choose which address the message will be sent from using the Account pop-up menu.
All messages received at these addresses will be appear in one mailbox. If you want the messages to be in different mailboxes, you can create a rule that separates the messages by the address they're sent to. For more information, click "Tell me more."
Wow! The tip in your post about getting multiple from email addresses working with a single account was just what I needed for Mail.app. I have had to use Thunderbird just for multiple identies support since I switched to OS X a few months ago, and while Thunderbird isn't a bad app, it doesn't integrate with Address Book.app, which is frustrating. Not anymore!
I use mail.app for my work email only (POP) and Thunderbird for my personal/multiple account stuff. I wasjust unhappy with the way that Mail.app laid out the multiple accounts as well. I prefer how Mozilla/Thunderbird keep it organized, and I found that Moz/Tbird deal better with self-signed certs.
I'm using courier-imap.. haven't seen any security issues with it, and it's been very reliable. *knocks on wood*
rmail, man! come on! or, maybe, VM?
Multiple personalities are effectively broken in Mail.app. I use Mail.app for my corporate/work account and Eudora for everything else (my half-dozen domain-specific accounts).
| From: jwz
Wed, 15-Jun-2005 10:42 PM (UTC)
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Broken in what way? Comma-separated email addresses seemed to work as advertised...
I'm no powerUser of Mail; and I do use it on the non-business computer...but you do know that the main suckage point of the app is the inability to export (without built-in hurdles)?
![[User Picture]](http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/80072994/1253168) | From: radven
Thu, 16-Jun-2005 12:39 AM (UTC)
Intertwingularity? | (Link)
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Why is it that every email program I have ever used seems to suck pretty badly?
Didn't you write some about Intertwingularity in the way back long ago time? Has anybody done a half-way decent job of it yet?
- chris
The slow import is, as far as I can tell, due to Mail.app insisting on building a complete text index of the content of every message -- even on pre-Tiger versions of the OS. You can't switch this off. However, it makes hunting for messages by keyword a whole lot faster once it's done. My advice is to save importing your old mailboxes for a day or night when you're not going to be using the machine due to, e.g., sleep or travel, then kick the job off then.
![[User Picture]](http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/39569451/6304551) | From: packetslave
Thu, 16-Jun-2005 6:42 AM (UTC)
Maybe disable spotlight while importing? | (Link)
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I wonder if you could speed the import up by disabling Spotlight indexing, importing the mail, then re-enabling Spotlight. You'd get a performance hit later while Spotlight indexes all that mail, but you could start it up before you go to sleep/work or something. Should just be a matter of mdutil -i off / (assuming you don't have a separate /Users partition), then mdutil -i on / later to re-enable. I have to wonder if Spotlight isn't trying to index all those messages as they're added. I know for filesystem stuff it uses the "hey, this file changed" APIs to detect real-time changes, so perhaps it's doing the same for Mail.
![[User Picture]](http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/17644247/3534333) | From: smackfu
Thu, 16-Jun-2005 7:32 AM (UTC)
Re: Maybe disable spotlight while importing? | (Link)
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I had this problem reinstalling my scanner drivers. Epson uses 1400 small files, mostly a lot of html and pictures, and the install takes forever because of Spotlight bogging down.
I assume that you have big mbox files like I do.
If you are switching to IMAP make sure you convert your mboxes into maildir's or else imap is going to be slow as hell.
I'm going to move from Mail.app to Mailsmith myself. Mail.app is a really good application, but I need something that's just a bit more script-happy, and since I spend a lot of time in BBEdit anyway... This can be considered a suggestion in the same way that informing you to use a different distro is a suggestion. The advantage Mailsmith has is that it solves your "whither IMAP" problem by simply not supporting it, though $100 for an email program sometimes makes me break out in the shivers.
everything makes itunes skip. though my machine(s) have less than optimal amounts of memory...but the itunes and java combo seems to be particularly bad.
Also when you plug in ipod it makes everything choke, windows or mac. I'm sure it's doing something like reading the entire disk into memory or some crap. It's worse on windows than mac.
but I *want* to listen to music while I run jmeter :(
I mostly like itunes but there are several things I don't like...this, and also the fact that I can't autosync my ipod, unless I happen to have an enormous disk on my mac and they both have copies of the same stuff. (and not bothering to mention that autosync will actually remove stuff on the ipod was an annoying lack of detail that caused me to have to rerip a number of cds) I have an old laptop, it has suffienct disk space in other ways. I'm not going to upgrade the damn thing just to hold music that's why I got the ipod. grumble.
I see iTunes skip maybe once a month, and I use it a lot. This is on a 700 MHz G3 iBook, so not exactly the newest machine. | |
