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Yahoo News, part 2 [Fri, 29-Apr-2005 6:53 PM]
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Wow.

When I made that post yesterday about how the new Yahoo News Photos had broken middle-clicking, my hope was to get an answer like,

"Use some-other-news-site.com instead, it does pretty much the same thing as what Yahoo News Photos does, but it has real URLs."

Because, you know, that's what I thought I asked.

Apparently, though, I somehow used the wrong words, because that post turned into my biggest inadvertent idiot magnet in a long while. Apparently the Fanboy Contingent read my request for an alternate web site as a request for them to tell me how cool they think it is to write Javascript that rewrites other peoples' broken web pages.

But you know what else I didn't expect?

I didn't expect Yahoo to actually fix it the next day!

That, right there, is pretty awesome. Thank you very much, [info]gecampbell! Yahoo News Photos works great now!

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[User Picture]From: [info]c9
Fri, 29-Apr-2005 7:09 PM (UTC)

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You have a superpower. You can make Yahoo! do anything you want, but the price is listening to idiot comments about fixing precisely the wrong thing FOREVER.
[User Picture]From: [info]zonereyrie
Fri, 29-Apr-2005 8:30 PM (UTC)

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Man, that's a killer disad.
[User Picture]From: [info]ralesk
Fri, 29-Apr-2005 7:12 PM (UTC)

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Wow, you’re famous and feared, Zawinski.
[User Picture]From: [info]xkot
Fri, 29-Apr-2005 7:14 PM (UTC)

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Kickass.
[User Picture]From: [info]zuvembi
Fri, 29-Apr-2005 7:17 PM (UTC)

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I thought a complaint somewhere in their feedback section saying they'd broken their pages IMO was in order. Especially since I didn't have any 'useful' javascript suggestions nor other non-broken news-photo sites to recommend. Not that I expected any sort of action, but I included a pointer back to your shark-jumping post in it. I do wonder how many other people shot them a complaint based on your LJ entry.
[User Picture]From: [info]jwz
Fri, 29-Apr-2005 7:19 PM (UTC)

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I also sent in a bug report before I made my LJ post asking for an alternate site. I didn't really expect them to act on it, though...
[User Picture]From: [info]grahams
Fri, 29-Apr-2005 7:43 PM (UTC)

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Can you un-jump the shark, or are they tainted forever?
From: [info]jzawodn
Fri, 29-Apr-2005 9:13 PM (UTC)

You have no idea...

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How many of us on the inside felt the same way you did.

Thanks for bitching. :-)
[User Picture]From: [info]roninspoon
Fri, 29-Apr-2005 9:25 PM (UTC)

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As cool as it was to get an actual fix from this cat, it looks like he may have created an LJ account for the express purpose of notifying you. That's some refreshing customer service.
From: [info]panda_boner
Fri, 29-Apr-2005 10:36 PM (UTC)

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Walter, ya know, its Smokey, so his foot slipped over the line a little, big deal.
[User Picture]From: [info]lars_larsen
Fri, 29-Apr-2005 9:57 PM (UTC)

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I think the reason nobody suggested another site is because yahoo is the ONLY free AP news photos site. I guess yahoo is the only company willing to pay AP for the rights. You can't even see the photos on AP's own site! Even though they say they're free for personal use.
[User Picture]From: [info]mark242
Fri, 29-Apr-2005 11:48 PM (UTC)

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Kudos to Yahoo. No, seriously. Kudos to Yahoo. Constructive criticism on why something is a problem, and how to fix it will do a million times more good than offering up some dumbass workaround-- Greasemonkey zealots, take notice.
[User Picture]From: [info]domesticmouse
Sat, 30-Apr-2005 12:01 AM (UTC)

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I thinks you misunderstand geeks. Most geeks see a problem as an opportunity to create a solution. It's what we do. Not always the best reaction, but the one that works most often for geeks. Sorry if that offends. :-)
[User Picture]From: [info]ciphergoth
Sat, 30-Apr-2005 12:14 AM (UTC)

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Obviously fixed sites are better than worked-around broken sites, and it's good that we have that result in this instance. But Greasemonkey exists because it's so often the case that a really fucked-up site is still your only real option, because all the other options are in some way worse. If there had been a site as good as Yahoo photos but non-fucked-up, people would have suggested it. As it was, they suggested Greasemonkey as the next least-worst thing. What's so strange about that?

Yes, put pressure on site authors to fix their broken HTML. Yes, vote with your mouse where you can and it makes a difference. But when those options aren't working out, it's good to have a fallback, no?
[User Picture]From: [info]jwz
Sat, 30-Apr-2005 12:33 AM (UTC)

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GREASEMONKEY IS TEH AWESOME. IT'S SO GREAT. OH LORD I'M SPURTING HERE.
[User Picture]From: [info]gfish
Sat, 30-Apr-2005 12:49 AM (UTC)

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Curse all those complete strangers for helping you in not-quite-exactly the way you wanted them to!
[User Picture]From: [info]cyn_goth_prog
Sun, 1-May-2005 11:06 AM (UTC)

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Too subtle. Try:
MOTHERFUCKING SHIT PISS COCKSUCKING STRANGERS !!!!! IT MAKES ME SO *MAD* WHEN THEY TRY TO HELP BY ATTEMPTING TO FIX MY ORIGINAL PROBLEM [1] BECAUSE THEY CAN'T SUGGEST A WORK-AROUND [2] !!!!!!!
Yeah, I realise I'm probably banned for posting this, but it had to be said: you're being a dickhead, JWZ. If you didn't like their offerings at the Altar of JWZ, all you had to do was ignore them. Maybe even update the post with "NO MORE GREASEMONKEY SUGGESTIONS!! (PS: I AM ANGRY AND CYNICAL!! GRRR!!!)"

I know this is your journal and all that, but... I don't know, do unto others or something. Flaming people for trying to help is tactless at best, and then crowing about it is worse. And if nothing else, surely you want to maximise the signal (original thought) to noise ("ME TOO!! I love you, JWZ.") ratio on your journal, for your own sanity...

(And why am I bothering to post this on your journal, wasting my own time (yes, I know: and yours) when I could just stop coming back if your behaviour really bothers me so much? I don't know, maybe out of some sort of community spirit. Yeah, I know: you care *so much* about my ridiculous ideals. Well, I tried.)

(Awaiting the requisite banning / deletion / rant about how you are so sick of everyone and this is why you hate people / implication that I am a Firefox weenie / "fuck you".)

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[1] "the JavaScript broke Yahoo News Photos"
[2] "so I'm looking for a new! better!! Yahoo News Photos!"
[User Picture]From: [info]nomenklatura
Sat, 30-Apr-2005 4:14 AM (UTC)

influence

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like you said: wow.

but I think your influence extends further than that, I think you have actually influenced the content of today's guardian. The pictures in the heads post are in it, including those later posted by strspn. Could be a coincidence.....
[User Picture]From: [info]thesliver
Sat, 30-Apr-2005 5:11 AM (UTC)

Re: influence

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Errrm, was that post structural irony mispelling the Grauniad's url?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/

That you also used a comma I didn't notice the first time rebounds on me...
From: [info]companyman
Sat, 30-Apr-2005 6:33 AM (UTC)

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JWZ acts surprised, but meanwhile, several of us here in the office were running a betting pool on how long it would take yahoo to at least respond, if not fix.

(for the record, I had "days" - but the person with "hours" was deemed the winner)
[User Picture]From: [info]ronbar
Sat, 30-Apr-2005 7:47 AM (UTC)

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Just IGNORE them. I know it's fun to some extent to taunt the geeks, but when you gaze into the void, the void gazes back into you.
[User Picture]From: [info]deadprogrammer
Sat, 30-Apr-2005 8:51 AM (UTC)

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You are the Harlan Ellison of blogging :)
[User Picture]From: [info]haran
Sat, 30-Apr-2005 11:08 PM (UTC)

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Apparently, though, I somehow used the wrong words
The portion at the end of the post where you actually describe how to convert the sucky HTML\Javascript into something less offensive was an open invitation for GreaseMonkey suggestions. On the other had, thats probably what got the site fixed at the end, so thats there.
[User Picture]From: [info]baconmonkey
Sun, 1-May-2005 3:58 PM (UTC)

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have you considered ansking your questions i esparanto?
you could probably write a hack to ping babelfish to translate your posts to esparanto.
From: [info]edge_walker
Sun, 1-May-2005 4:47 PM (UTC)

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Using Greasemonkey?
[User Picture]From: [info]josephgrossberg
Sun, 1-May-2005 7:17 PM (UTC)

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Maybe I'm mistaken about Hotmail's switch to JS coinciding with the popularity of tabbed browsing ... I might just be a poorly-thought-out "feature" from a mega-company.
From: [info]panda_boner
Tue, 3-May-2005 2:06 PM (UTC)

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bump
[User Picture]From: [info]jwz
Tue, 3-May-2005 2:25 PM (UTC)

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That's fascinating.
[User Picture]From: [info]dzm6
Tue, 3-May-2005 7:10 PM (UTC)

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Your lazyweb is teh awesome.