jwz - Dear Palm, it's just not working out.

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Tue, 20-Oct-2009 4:56 AM (UTC)

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I have a G1 and I'm pretty happy with it. I created a special, G1-only google account and limited what I sync to the hive mind. My OSX calendar/addressbook sync to the G1 just fine over the intercloudweb and I have much less trouble than I did with my old XV phone.

OTOH, WindowsMobile does let you download/install anything you damn well please, and there are days I consider going back. Then I remember the Hell of Missing Sync and remember why it was I went to the G1.

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Tue, 20-Oct-2009 5:51 AM (UTC)

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There's an option on the G1 to allow non-app store apps to be uploaded via USB.

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Tue, 20-Oct-2009 5:04 AM (UTC)

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There is a way to not pay AT&T money and still use an iPhone, without being stuck waiting for the jailbreakers to find yet another bootloader security hole before you can update the OS each time.

All you need to do is fly to Italy (or Belgium or Hong Kong or Australia) ($$$), buy an unlocked contract-free iPhone (€€€/$$$ as appropriate for your destination), plug in a T-Mobile SIM, put up with EDGE speed because T-Mobile's 3G uses a different set of frequencies, and hope your phone doesn't break because it'd need to go back to Italy (or wherever) for service. Sounds great, doesn't it? I can't imagine why people don't do it....

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Tue, 20-Oct-2009 8:46 AM (UTC)

Easier, if your trusting..

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Or you could just jump on a European version of ebay and but one off there... as long as you can trust the buyer of course...

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Tue, 20-Oct-2009 5:07 AM (UTC)

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I still can't reliably sync my phone to my Mac.

You'd think that Palm, of all companies, could have figured that one out, having put together HotSync for the Palm (which worked, at least most of the time, and was written well over a decade ago).

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Tue, 20-Oct-2009 12:12 PM (UTC)

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Palm seems to have decided not to have any of their software running on the users' desktops; they only sync to network services (and back up to Palm's servers, but that's not really a sync, because you can't edit the data that goes there), and they're continuing this cat-and-mouse thing with syncing with iTunes. My best guess is that they rushed to get the Pre out the door so they didn't spend time on a lot of things, including desktop software.

I still like mine, and I chafe when I have to do things on other people's iPhones at work, but I have different tolerances and sensitivities than

jwz.

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Tue, 20-Oct-2009 5:25 AM (UTC)

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if palm would have waited a couple months more they could have gone straight to snapdragon and done away with all of the lag. i guess they didn't think they had enough time left to do that though?

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Tue, 20-Oct-2009 5:26 AM (UTC)

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or the later nvidia chipset too

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violentbloom
Tue, 20-Oct-2009 5:28 AM (UTC)

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One of us! one of us!

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obreerbo
Tue, 20-Oct-2009 4:03 PM (UTC)

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Indeed! "Come...join us...don't be afraid..."

I would have to agree with what jwz says about the iPhone: "It just works." The UI took surprisingly little time to get used to, and it has those little touches of "politeness" that show some serious skull sweat went into the design.

(AT&T? I'm not worried about them. I've been with AT&T since they were AT&T before they were Cingular. They like me.)

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Tue, 20-Oct-2009 5:30 AM (UTC)

Yikes!

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So you did the deed. I didn't realize just how badly your phone was behaving. My battered Samsung, literally held together with scotch tape, actually works better.

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jwz
Tue, 20-Oct-2009 10:02 AM (UTC)

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Sometimes it's good for a phone to know its limits.

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Tue, 20-Oct-2009 5:31 AM (UTC)

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I bought an iPhone and switched to AT&T just a couple weeks ago, largely for the same reasons.

I'm starting to second-guess myself now with Verizon's Droid freshly revealed and coming out in another week or two. It looks like it fixes all the issues with the previous devices:

shipping the latest virgin Google build — no carrier or manufacturer fuckery
CPU + RAM as good or better than everything else (600mhz OMAP3 + 256mb RAM)
a capacitive touchscreen with 3x the iPhone's resolution
only a bit thicker than a current iPhone
a motherfucking headphone jack
nice hardware (landscape) and software (portrait) keyboards
16gb of built-in flash AND a micro-SD slot
a camera that they made a cursory attempt to make decent (a flash!)

And it appears that Google has steered Verizon away from their usual habit of stuffing cocks into every orifice!

Now the only problem will be the Android software — the spartan builtin apps, the craptacular APIs, and the abysmal/non-existent third-party apps.

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Tue, 20-Oct-2009 7:32 AM (UTC)

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> And it appears that Google has steered Verizon away from their usual habit of stuffing cocks into every orifice!

Oh, just wait until you see what it costs in up-front purchase, and what the monthlies are. I can almost guarantee that it'll make even the iPhone look cheap in comparison.

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mister_borogove
Tue, 20-Oct-2009 6:03 AM (UTC)

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Well, at least we'll get a whole new flood of AT&T-directed vitriol out of you now.

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Tue, 20-Oct-2009 12:22 PM (UTC)

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Yes! I'm looking forward to future episodes with "sponsorship fee" and "upgrade fee". Good times ahead.

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Tue, 20-Oct-2009 6:19 AM (UTC)

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For all my technolove, I don't get "smart" phones.
I even bought a "smart" phone and I still don't get it but I don't really care because I bought the phone because it works the best as a phone.

It is Ironic that the phone comes with MySpace, Twitter and Facebook apps...

It is also ironic that my phone works where the iPhone, G1 and a few other Droid phones don't work at all - in the web2.0 datacenters.

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Tue, 20-Oct-2009 8:25 PM (UTC)

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Just to point out; iPhone does not come with Facebook, Myspace, or Twitter apps. You have to buy them from the App Store to get them.

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Tue, 20-Oct-2009 7:24 AM (UTC)

iphone on tmobile

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you can use tmobile too, but at 2G speeds. Everything must work just fine because their authorized dealers use them.
also it voids the warranty.

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charles_m_uk
Tue, 20-Oct-2009 8:39 AM (UTC)

Speed Issues

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If the pre is anything like the android the main reason for the slowness of the device straight out of the box is that they are shipped with a lowly class 2 microSD (2Mb/s) but for about £15 you can get a larger class 6 (6Mb/s). This almost totally eliminates the lag with opening / closing / buffering of programs. I totally agree with you on Apples attitude towards developers; it really does stink. I would go for the HTC Hero at the moment, but some other pretty looking androids are on the way though.

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Tue, 20-Oct-2009 7:43 PM (UTC)

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I would assume that someone like jwz would have already upgraded the microSD card, but if he hadn't that would be good to know.

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Tue, 20-Oct-2009 8:48 AM (UTC)

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Welcome. The biggest disadvantage of the iPhone is having to withstand random attacks from people merely for owning one (example). But you are probably thick-skinned enough for that not to be a problem.

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Tue, 20-Oct-2009 9:41 AM (UTC)

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I was thinking of getting a Pre. I played with a Pre in a shop this weekend (it just came out here), and found that it was disappointingly sluggish, sometimes taking seconds to respond to a touch. I suspect Apple may have had a point in restricting multitasking on phones.

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Tue, 20-Oct-2009 12:42 PM (UTC)

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The idea that a 500MHz processor is somehow inadequate for multitasking fills me with sad.

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Tue, 20-Oct-2009 10:17 AM (UTC)

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Well, thanks for that update. You've now killed all my buyer's regret for getting an iPhone instead of a Palm Pre. Right in the face.

Of course, that little voice in my head will probably say "You should have got a blackberry, dumbass!".

I'd love the iPhone to itty bitty bits if it weren't for
- Having to use iTunes, which is a godawful piece of software.
- The PDA functions being arbitrarily gimped, presumably because someone at Apple doesn't want it to be a PDA.
- The phone parts generally being hellaciously unintuitive.

I really should just jailbreak the thing, really.

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Tue, 20-Oct-2009 7:47 PM (UTC)

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As a current blackberry owner, let me just say this:
Fuck blackberry. In the ass. With a chainsaw.

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Tue, 20-Oct-2009 11:36 AM (UTC)

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Maybe I'll get bashed for this, but having used an iPhone, a Blackberry, and the old version of the PalmOS (but not the Pre), I'm still happy with my WinMo phone.

Sure, to get apps that do roughly the same thing as iPhone apps I have to hunt over the web, but if I find one I like, I don't have to worry about Apple or AT&T (or in my case, Verizon) telling me I can't have it. True, Verizon did some dong-sucking with crippling the GPS, but they seem to be realizing that when people can get a stand-alone GPS for under $100, they aren't going to pay $10 a month for their horrid navigator.

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jkonrath
Tue, 20-Oct-2009 1:30 PM (UTC)

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Given the way the Zune HD handles apploading, Microsoft's recent hard-on for app stores, and the upcoming release of Windows Mobile 7, I'd safely wager that the days of side-loading your own apps onto your WinMo phone may soon be numbered.

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